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to tell you the american people are engaged and if you think they want a government takeover of health care, i would respectfully submit you're not listening to them. >> so, will that experience help ryan thursday night? joining me now is presidential historian the author of the book "what does the president look like", jane, welcome. >> thanks for having me. >> clayton: what does paul ryan have to do. talking to huckabee about it. paul ryan can have a tendency to come off a little wonky and vice-president biden perhaps as a little folksy and flies off the handle with things off script. what do the two need to do to be effective. >> ryan needs to keep that momentum going and needs to explain their policies and their points of view in a very cheer, concise way, which you've heard him do in sound bites in different media interviews. biden, yes, needs to not make gaffe and make up for some of the mistakes his boss made last week, he needs to seem engaged. he needs to answer those hard questions without being defensive and so, they both have challenges going in, but it should ab really gre
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